Originally by: Mashashige

---

You guys is stupid. I try new goon artistic singosng write:

*make good big change*
*prenerf pre release*
*troll player to laugh much at forum whine*
(*also eat much puke making shark*)
*is CCP*

Did I make poem rite?

(I felt this thread needed some hydra reloaded inspired troll)

But anyhow, what Ive said is pretty true - CCP suggests awesome changes (projectiles, sov, titan, SC, etc), then pre nerfs them 4 weeks before the deadline. Pretty good tactics - stops people from shouting OP, gives devs some whinage to laugh at, and is generally typical of how CCP likes to run its game: get everyone freaking excited, and then **** them over for another 2 years.

\O/ CCP, I SALUTE YOU!

(P.S, I know they'll fix it in 2-3 days due to all the people whining, but being on a thread where goons cries on a AAA shoulder is just too epic. Plus I like to **** poast - sue me.. ***gots.)

---

Originally by: CynoNet Two

---

Originally by: Pallidum Treponema

---

Can someone confirm that Fighter-Bomber attributes are the same?

If this change also doubles the DPS of FBs, then maybe. Still, I'd much rather have 20 FBs than 10 FBx2s.

---

Max skilled bombers seem to be 4,800dps right now. Here is my math in case I made any mistakes:

3600 damage / 15 sec RoF = 240dps per bomber
10 x bomber = 2,400 dps
Fighter Bombers level V = 100% bonus = 4,800dps.

That can go up somewhat with the Nyx and DCU, but honestly that is abymsal for a supercap.

Originally by: SXYGeeK

---

The change has some merrits,
It will reduce the number of fighters on the field which will have an effect on lag (need for speed)
It will focus the supercarrier on the role of anti-cap with its Fighter Bombers

---

Except that no one enables drone models or icons during large fleet battles, and if they do its just client-side lag so it's their problem.

---

Originally by: Ap0ll0n

---

Although im still confident that this is either a mistake, or part of a plan to reduce serverside lag during large fleet fights, i will sell my super carrier and character and close the account, if they dont fix this.

Its the only reason i have that account.

---

Originally by: Angel HUN

---

Let them dock.

---

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk

---

EVERYONE CALM DOWN

Have you not been listening to what i have been saying,

FLAMING AND RANTING WONT WORK, you need to say what you want have changed about them and back up your reasoning.


Motherships are super capitals, they need are defined in their roles currently and a large command and control ship that allows the use of 15-25 fighters as support. They provide important logistics too such as clone vat bays and triage for pos's.

CCP do the right thing, make super carriers motherships again with fighter bombers.

IF ANYTHING!!!!!!!! change the fighter bomber bandwidth to limit the amount of fighter bombers that can be used.

---

Originally by: Pallidum Treponema

---

Edited by: Pallidum Treponema on 13/11/2009 10:27:27
Why xMom changes are horribad for non-capital pilots

A corpmate asked this simple question "You say the reduced build cost will result in swarms of these ships; why would that happen if they are useless?"

I'd like to answer that.

A single xMom is no better than a dreadnought for capital killing, and arguably worse than a carrier for remote repping. The result is that deploying a single xMom or even a pair, in a group of capitals only results in it being a big. juicy target. This is currently the case with motherships and a big reason for why we don't see motherships deployed in combat.

The originally proposed changes were to fix this. A HP boost would give them enough buffer to survive long enough, and a huge boost in DPS would ensure that they'd be the best ship around to kill capitals. The high pricepoint would still ensure that these ships were the exclusive domain of players who'd spent a lot of time not only training for the skills but also to grind the ISK to purchase or build one.

With the latest iteration, xMoms will no longer be the best ships for anti-capital work. This role still remains with dreads. We're again back to where motherships were before, albeit with arguably more DPS (previous posts have indicated that xMoms will in fact NOT gain more DPS, in fact they may inflict LESS dps than their current forms against normal capitals).


So, why is this worse than before?

The pricereduction.

Even if we disregard the fact that CCP effectively insults everyone who's ever grinded the ISK to buy or build a mothership in the past, many players who have dedicated years worth of playing to get what should rightfully be considered an "end-game" ship, this is an incredibly horribad change.

The problem is that while an xMom is just a big target when flying solo, in groups they are absolutely devastating. Just imagine a group of 40 Aeons, each fitted with 5 Capital Remote Armor Repairers. A single Aeon is able to add anywhere between 10 and 15k DPS worth of tank to the spidertank web. This means 400-600k DPS tank to any single one of these xMoms. Couple this with anywhere from 10 to 30 million EHP on these beasts, and you have an unbeatable blob.

Do I even need to mention that unlike carriers, you can not break the spidertank of these things. They cannot be jammed, dampened or disrupted. Their RR web is invulnerable.

At any time that a blob like this is deployed, fleet warfare is eliminated. You will not be able to deploy a battleship - they'll die in seconds, normal capitals will die like flies, and the only way to counter it is by deploying a blob like this just as big.

Does anyone think that alliances such as AAA, Atlas, PL, Goons, IT, Morsus Mihi etc will NOT be able to field 40-man xMom fleets within a year of this change if it goes into effect? This will further prevent smaller alliances from achieving anything in 0.0.


What will happen then?

Obviously these blobs are too powerful. The result is that they need to be nerfed. xMoms will take the brunt of these nerfs. In the end, we'll be worse off than when we started, because not only will xMoms once again have been nerfed into oblivion. Judging by the past history of CCP nerfs and changes, they will have ruined 0.0 warfare for maybe up to two years before this is fixed.


Pandora's box

This is a clear case of Pandora's Box. Once you open the box, it cannot be closed. You cannot put the genie back into the bottle. With the huge proliferation that this will result in, you can never change motherships back to what they used to be.

In effect, you may end up killing eve.

---

Originally by: CCP Nozh

---

Hey,

We've made some further changes to super carriers after taking your feedback into consideration. It's quite understandable that the changes made were a disappointment to many of you, but I wanted to remind you that Singularity is a test server and all changes, even these are subject to change.

Compact Citadel Torpedo Changes:

• Explosion Velocity: 60


• Damage: 3200

Super Carrier Changes:

• Can deploy 2 additional Fighter or Drone per level


• Can dock at stations

Furthermore we're looking into solutions to reimburse current mothership pilots for the drop in construction cost.

That's all for now.

-Nozh

---

Originally by: Agmar

---

Originally by: The Mittani

---

Seriouspost: someone make us some "Free Abathur" sigs.

---

---

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

---

Originally by: Fogy

---

Originally by: Agmar

---

Originally by: The Mittani

---

Seriouspost: someone make us some "Free Abathur" sigs.

---

---

Nozh, You are uniting ALL of 0.0 against you!
Goons, PL, NC and IT, AAA, Atlas quoting AND AGREEING with each other! WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING!?!? LOL
Sworn enemies, for several years now.

---

To be fair AAA is a newish enemy.

---

Originally by: Pallidum Treponema

---

Originally by: Rosalyn Heart

---

EDIT - Beaten...by -A- no less. :argh:

---

Sorry sweetie. :(

I didn't mean to do that. We're all allied in this now after all. Many loves to our goon brosefs. :)

---